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for you. i'm michael sure. obamacare, new jersey governor chris christie is saying ok, is obamacare exactly what's going to get the republican party well? >> i have decided to participate in medicaid expansion under the affordable care act. >> we will support a three year expansion for medicaid programs under the new health care law. michael: it's one year since the killing of trayvon martin. at "the young turks" will stand our ground at keeping this story front and center. >> we don't expect trayvon to be the top story every day but he's definitely the top story in our life. michael: there is a guy in texas right now handing guns out giving guns away. houston, we have a problem. >> we are going to offer all residents that live within that area, if they can pass a

background check and take our safety legal and tactical training course, four free shotguns. michael: ladies and gentlemen it's "the young turks." it's go time. ♪ theme ♪ >> shock of shocks! in his budget address today giving the state budget to the legislators and people of new jersey governor chris christie has said yes to obamacare. they're not going to fight it. here is the governor. >> it's simple. we're putting people first which is why after considerable discussion and research, i have decided to participate in medicaid expansion under the affordable care act. we have an opportunity to insure that even greater number of people in new jersey at or near the poverty line will have access to critical health services, beginning in january

of 2014. michael: and no governor fought harder than rick scott of florida against what he called obamacare. he said they have an opportunity to insure people with a conservative for patient rights in florida. he said never will we have obamacare, until he said let's have obamacare. >> in our state obamacare is actually unenforceable unconstitutional. they're going to create a lot of depends from medicate and pull the rug out from people in florida. people in florida are fed up with this. michael: that of course was 2011 when he said we don't want. it here's the surprise from rick scott now. >> quality health care should be accessible and affordable for all in florida while the federal government is committed to paying 100% of the cost, i cannot in good conscience deny the people of florida that need access to health care. we will support a three year

expansion of our medicaid program under the new health care law. michael: oh, my god rick scott you've come around! i like how he says the new health care law. god forbid rick scott's able to say obamacare. no, it's the new health care law. that's all he can go with. it's amazing the way these two these people are able to turn about in such a way. rick scott also among if not the nation's least popular governor. he's among them, if he is not the most. jeffery young is a health care reporter for the huffing to know post. jeffery comes to us from washington d.c. thanks for being on the show tonight, jeffery. >> i'm delighted to be here. >> are you shocked at this sort of flip-flop of this changing tune that we're seeing out of these governors? >> not anymore. if you look around now you mentioned chris christie today and rick scott last week. rick scott made his name in

politics disliking this law so that's very significant. the more governors that get behind this, and especially the more republican governors that do it, and we're talking about people who have bona fies in other areas john saysic and jan brewer, the more that get behind this, the more that don't start to look like the outliers. the number one reason is there's a lot of point available. michael: well, that's the big part of it, especially at the beginning. let's look at this list of governors you. started to tell us a couple of them already but names like john kasich, christie and scott jan brewer, of arizona no friend of the president's. brian sandoval, marinez and dalrymple. when you hear these governors

switches sides, it's encouraging for the president. it means that there's promise for what he wants to do. am i being too optimistic about this? >> no, i think there's two main ways that you're right about that. the first purely on a political side anytime someone says i can accept at least one part of this law that i hate, it somewhat diminishes the partisan nature of obamacare as it moves forward from being an idea to a reality. anybody who followed it in congress during the 2011 election campaign, republicans were against it, democrats for it, that's the way it laid. now there are exceptions to that. i like to think more important from the administration's point of view is that the more governors that decide they're going to do this, the more uninsured people get health care, which is one of the main reasons they went through all this trouble creating this law in the first place. >> jeffery you made a really

great point there. this is a met morph possess. i'm not that old so i don't know if the new deal happened overnight, but i'm certain it didn't. these sort of things do take a little while. this is how it happens. right after the election, john boehner, even said it's time we lost on this issue. let's listen to the speaker after the election. >> you had said next year that you would repeal the health care vote. is that still your mission? >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was reelected. obama care is the law of the land. michael: do you think, jeffery that that had any sort of kind of broad impact on other republicans when you hear the leader of their party at that time the de facto leader of their party since romney had lost state that. does that attitude become a little bit contagious?

>> well, it's certainly the same kind of thinking that some of these governors that we've seen embrace the medicaid expansion have specifically said was their logic in going forward with it. rick scott mentioned this last week, they tried to beat it in congress, the supreme court, in the ballot box and lost each time, so reality has changed, so to speak. this law is now there, and the obama administration's going to move forward with putting it in place and try to make it work. with your running a state in particular that's what makes it differently from members of congress, they have residents' well being their responsible for. if you're chris christie or rick scott, looking at the big bag of money coming to your state accepting it or turning it down, the math becomes different than if it's purely a political issue. they do seem to as speaker boehner said in that clip you just played, there comes a point at which on some level it bewho

haves you to admit you've lost up until now and should move on. michael: we move now from obamacare into the quester. it's not one piece of policy and agreed upon by both parties, but the republicans seem to be suffering the brunt of the anti sequester polling. you see whether this is a poll that was put out by nbc and the wall street journal. obama is promoting unit, 43% the gop at 64% saying they support partisan ship. where do the republicans turn now. they're giving in on obamacare losing the popularity contest on sequester. what's their way out of this? >> i certainly don't know. i mean, i will tell you this, what we're seeing right now all over the place, you know,

commentaries and speeches given by elected officials and incident electuals on the conservative side, they're trying to figure out which parts of their own idealogy they want to emphasis. the national governors association meeting was in washington this past weekend. a lot of governors were asked by reporters what do you see as a successful republican, take a scott walker, for example or any other number of republican governors, what do you think we should focus on. what you're hearing from people like that, the same thing people are reading everywhere, maybe soft peddling some of the things less popular and focusing some of the things that are low taxes or economic growth and that, you know, but the problem that we've seen, i think it's safe to say in the congress over the last however many months is that inside the party that debate is happening making it hard to assemble a coalition to agree on a deal that would get everyone out of this sequestration mess. michael: not just inside the

party, but inside the congress. listen to john boehner admonishing the senate, his own senators. >> the president's been traveling all over the country holding rallies instead of sitting down with senate leaders in order to try to forge an agreement over there in order to move the bill. we have moved the bill in the house twice. we should not have to move a third bill before the senate gets off their ass and begins to do something. michael: before the senate gets off their ass. i love that. jeffery, that speaks to exactly what you were saying just now that the republicans are fighting among themselves and now the house is even fighting with the senate. >> yeah, and there's also some kind of inherent cognitive difficult dense in part of the message that the speaker was delivering there and some of the other things that have been coming out of capitol hill from republicans when it comes to sequestration. one is that you'll hear them going through a lot of trouble

to try to convince america that the whole thing was obama's idea and entirely his fault and you should blame him if it happens not us. when the president talks about how harmful the budget cuts will be you hear people on the right saying these cuts of not that big, so it's in other words not that big of a deal, but it's all obama's fault and you should be mad at him about it. i'm not sure where they go from here. the speaker is right about one thing, the house did pass something. it's very far from what the senate is and when you have divided government, somebody has to budge. of course, that's where we are right now. >> jeff, thanks so much. it was really a great conversation about everything that's going on in washington. when we come back, we go to florida. it's been a year since trayvon martin was killed. i want to know is there actually good news on stand your ground laws. >> everybody in america knows about this controversial law.

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michael: today marks the one year affairs of the killing of trayvon martin. it happened in sanford florida he was gunned down by george zimmerman, zimmerman set to stand trial in june of this year. it brought to light the stand your ground laws. it brought to light the nra and their activity in enacting these laws. it was on a amazing period of time in sort of criminal justice history, because a lot of our attention went on to these laws, how they are unfair and as we heard earlier, how none of them, none of the stand your ground laws, no state has adopted them since trayvon martin was killed, so that is an encouraging piece of news, what is discouraging is that the parents of trayvon

martin have to wake up every day without their son. both of the parents spoke to msnbc today. >> initially our focus was to get an arrest. that's why they had so many rallies. my family is holding up fairly well. we lean on each other we lean on the rest of the family and also friends. i don't know if we're ready emotionally. i think we're just going to take one day at a time and just, you know, thank god for each day. michael: tracy martin is trayvon martin's father. he also spoke. >> we don't expect trayvon to be the top story every day in the media, but he's definitely the top story in our life. it's not just urban gun violence i think it's violence in general senseless gun violence in general the newtown view lens massacre, the violence in chicago it's senseless the

violence across the country. lawmakers need to take a real good look at these gun laws and the people that they are giving gun license to. michael: when we began discussing this story and giving it i think excellent excellent coverage, it was a story that cenk wanted to cover all the way. one person brought on every day was brown professor trish is a rose. it's hard to believe that it's been a year since that killing but i want to ask you this. you know, did this gunlayer that will be pivotal in the way we look at gun laws? this was a gun case, it was also a race case, but i would say that 2012 finishing with newtown was a lot about guns and it began with trayvon martin. >> well, it is astonishing that it's a year. i'm just really taken aback by that because it hasn't really

left my consciousness so i just assumed less time had gone by. it is a gun case and a race case. trayvon's parents bless them for their ability to keep this in the public eye with dignity openness and with human connectiveness. they're focusing on the gun phenomenon and that we have gun associated with pop culture. we have to figure out how to be anti racist without being pollarrizele recognizing that these laws, the criminalization of young black men the trayvon martins criminalized or dead in the street for a variety of reasons is a bigger systemic process that has to be dealt with. we can't do it unless we attended the race, at least in part. michael: trisha, i think another

component is the idea that the stand your ground laws, they are racist as we know, at the very start, because it sort of justifies you saying that i don't like that person because of what they look like, and that's what we're saying that george zimmerman did what the prosecution is going to say george zimmerman did. it is a racial discussion in that way. we've been talking a lot about the civil rights victories of the 19 1950's, but tragedies, as well. fifty years since the church bombing in birmingham and the riots and protests and all of that. it's important on this one year affairs, we look at this as a race case. how, without being insensitive to the gun side of it can this be discussed as a race case? >> well, actually, let me focus in on a piece of what you said. when you said that the standard your ground laws hinge on perception, they hinge on what you think you're seeing and

feeling threatened. in order to understand that as a race problem and an anti black sort of context you have to understand how racialized perception functions unconsciously, consciously intentionally, unintentionally and the way the manipulation of the laws to support that very fact, so you have to acknowledge that, and you have to study it and pay attention to it in order to say actually perception is not race neutral. as a result, the association of blacks with criminality the same actions done by a black person looks criminal when it's done by a white innocent is not a racially neutral law. that's an anti racist project. michael: the idea of standing your own ground in your neighborhood, it's an evil way of defining it. even in new york city, there was

an interesting article in the new york times about how the chinese population is moving uptown to east harlem and right now there are killing of people in east harlem because they're defending their neighborhood, the chinese are so this whole idea of philosophy of stand your ground, but there was a bit of encouraging news on stand your ground. let's listen to benjamin crump the lawyer for the martin family what he had to say about stand your ground. >> the stand your ground law nobody talked about it this time last year until trayvon was killed. we have to think about how trayvon has changed the conversation. everybody in america knows about this controversial law and now for the first time in five years, there were no new states that enacted stand your ground laws. we look at that as a plus. michael: you know, i mean, trisha trayvon martin didn't want to be the martyr here but his killing may have led to the

end of these laws, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? >> listen, i know that there's no question that many many millions of people have been ail to stay focused on what they need as a result of the galvanization of his death. it is important the to note that new laws not being passed in this way is at least stemming the tide. it may not mean they'll go away, but at least there aren't new ones. as you pointed out medgar eves, this is a big systemic pattern. the best thing we can do for trayvon and his family is connect him to a systemic process and legacy, end the less not just the laws, but the whole new ideology. michael: patricia rose, thank you so much for being on the

show. it was great to see you again as well. with the stand your ground case, the gun ideal in america the fact that we are so gun crazy in america has really had an exclam patient put on it in texas. we are going to look at a story in houston. >> they are easy to use easy to learn how to use. they're not very expensive and they're just all around great home defense weapons. on current tv.

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michael: the city of houston ranks 10th of u.s. stiffs in crime, the 10th high effort crime city in the country behind detroit, baltimore memphis

philadelphia. we move then to see he what the breakdown of the crime is in houston, and we see things that are frightening. 10,719 violent crimes, 105 murders, 332 rapes. over 4,000 robberies. firearms were used in two thirds of the reported murders in 2011 in houston. it makes you think ok, well, firefirearms are used in two thirds of those murders maybe it would be a good idea to take the firearms off the street. kyle copeland is a graduate student at the university of houston in houston texas and has an idea. we're going to let the abc affiliate tell us about it. >> to protect themselves and their homes web offers up free shotguns like this. it's all through the non-profit called the armed citizens profit. the free shotguns will be

purchased with donations to his non-profit and given to law abiding single women and people who feel vulnerable in crime-ridden areas. they will pinpoint neighborhoods eligible for the shotgun give away with police statistics. the chief has no comment about this controversial program. michael: he has given away one gun. he says in april, he will give away 10 more and buy up to 100 in april. this is a graduate student project is how it began. he joins us now from houston texas, thanks for coming on to "the young turks." >> thanks for having me on, michael. >> howdy outbound that? >> thank you. michael: i want to know, this did begin four as a graduate student project. you wanted to see what the effect on gun violence would be

if everybody had a gun in a certain part in a small sampling in your city there. is this more of an agenda hiding behind a graduate paper or is this exactly what that is? >> the implementation, what i'm actually doing with the non-profit is not part of my studies at the university of houston. my cap stone project was writing a white paper or a policy proposal on what a private response to deter crime through increased firearms would look like. i've since taken that idea and kind of run with it, so my university wants me to make it very clear that they don't have anything to do at all with me handing out the fire articles. i'm in my final semester of the public administration program. i'm a policy analyst at heart and so i'm really interested in the relationship between crime and firearms. folks like john lot who did the

study -- michael: well, we've lost kyle for a moment there. what he's trying to say and the problems i have with what kyle is trying to do at a time when we are trying to curb gun violence, he's trying to get all this money to give guns away to people in houston texas. what the problems are with that are obvious, you know, whether it is an experiment, it's no the kind of experiment i think that we should be doing at this time in our history. we just talked about trayvon martin dying a year ago. we talk all the time about how many people have died since newtown by gun violence and here's a graduate student with a great idea about wondering whether gun violence is too pref lend in houston, texas and whether guns will defeat guns, but i don't think it's time for him to be handing out guns in the street. it's not where "the young turks" would be coming down on this

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michael: i don't know if in history anybody has ever lost communication with houston before wow. we apologize for that break kyle copeland, thanks for coming back on with us here. we were talking about kyle and his graduate thesis, the idea that guns will combat guns, and his intention, and initiative to distribute guns free to people,

mostly single women and vulnerable people in his area in houston, texas, who could use those to defend themselves, use those guns to defend themselves. you were saying that the university of houston does not endorse or distances themselves from this, they are not involved in this project as it stands now, right? >> right and i want to say we're not just thinking guns to combat guns. if someone comes in your house with a knife a gun will kill them just as easily. >> guns to combat evil-doers. let's talk about that, kyle. at the time that you're doing this, you know what the atmosphere about guns is like in this country right now. president obama and people in washington are trying to get sensible gun legislation passed, background checks, et cetera. are you doing background checks with the people you're distributing the guns to? >> yes, we are we're doing background checks opinion in order to get the weapon, they

have to take a legal and safety tactical training course with us. michael: are these people who are intelligent, not able to afford guns themselves or are these people that say oh, you're giving a gun away? i'll take one. >> right now, it's single females that have a low sense of security where they live. a bigger study is going to focus on a high crime area, and it's more than likely going to be lower income, yes. michael: when you do, you're talking about this big study tell me, how many people do you want to see have these guns and what kind of results will you be charting? >> sure, i actually want to do this nationwide, but we've got to start somewhere. we're probably going to pick a four square block area, houston. if they can pass a background check and will take our safety legal and tactical training course we'll arm them free with a shotgun. we're using existing crime data

to figure out where we're going to do this, working with local police and we're going to just chart the change in the crime rates and by the end of a year, we're going to do a policy analysis on the results. we're going to do this in several other areas, as well as so obviously the bigger the sample, the more accurate our results will be. michael: has the houston police department weighed in on how they feel about this study? >> the houston police department's in no position to come out as being antti gun at all. they love in texas. michael: well, i'm just wondering what they think about this study not just whether or not about guns. >> right sure. the police chief has had no comment, but the president of the police officers union has been supportive. michael: has been supportive of what you're doing there saying it's a great idea or they're not going to weigh in, really? >> said that it's a great idea, that it's a good idea, as long as we do the proper training and we have every intention of doing

the proper training new finally i want to ask you this, in the atmosphere we have in this country right now and people rethinking guns, you're out there giving guns away. how does that make you feel when you think about it in the context of what the country's going through right now? >> it makes me feel great. i get up every morning with a pep in my step, giving out guns, link the dream. it's not like we're giving out alcohol or cigarettes. i don't see the big deal. i didn't expect i'd come out here and convince the having a male viewer watching t.v.ness mom's basement. it's our hypotheses that the average criminal doesn't want to die in your hallway. michael: forget be the middle age person in his mom's basement because that's just creepy tell me about, you see you have a pep in your step.

talk to me about newtown. a lot of people have responded to it in different ways. you're the first person i have spoken to who says i see what happened in newtown i'm going to go give guns away. >> right. well, with newtown that's a completely different situation. if you want to talk about assault weapons or anything like that, go talk to the n.r.a. i'm giving out weapons to single women and folks in high crime areas. that's not my area. i don't want to get my organization into a fight that we're not interested in having. michael: well, while i think it's an i will-advised plan, i am actually eager to see what kind of results you get. kyle copeland, thank you for coming on the show and talking with us on current. we appreciate it on "the young turks." we're going to switch now to a different anniversary. we talked about one year of trayvon martin. it's been 20 years since the first world trade center bombing in new york, and here is abc

talking about that. >> it is, of course, september 11, the internationally recognized date to commemorate the loss of an entire facing. for a smaller group of mourners and survivors this is the date they remember more. before 9/11, there was 2/26. >> this takes place every year in a lower manhattan church. this year is especially hard. it's been 20 years since their world and ours changed forever. >> it is personal. >> building engineer survived in 1993 and on 9/11, when al-qaeda achieved the ultimate goal and he had to dig out of rubble. he's till working here, now in charge of rebuilding. >> we wanted to rebuild this site for those who aren't here. otherwise, i probably would have retired, but i came back down here to finish the job that others can't. michael: you know, and since

that time, obvious lifeful hasly 9/11 has happened. there's been the war in afghanistan and iraq. one in 15,000 muslims were recruited as terrorists. since 9/11 and 2001, they've only been able to recruit one in 100,000. there are 1.5 billion muslims in the world so one in that number adds up to only 15,000 people. there has not been an act of terror in america since 9/11. it makes a lot of us wonder is this really an enemy? where are these people that we're so afraid of. to enlighten us to that, we bring on sociology professor of north carolina, chapel hill. it's difficult always for a university of verge graduate

toes that, but we welcome you on to talk about this. you know, professor, when i look at those numbers i learned today when i read those numbers about this. i hadn't topped to think about it. where is it in the american psyche that sees such a huge threat if there only 15,000 people according to those numbers that might be a part of this? >> let's separate the numbers that are globally getting involved in islamic terrorism and the numbers within the united states, how many muslim americans. the number of countries ago pakistan somalia, et cetera have used terrorism as a weapon. they've been able to get decent numbers of recruits. within the united states though, it hasn't been nearly as much of an issue as many of us feared after 9/11 or after the first world center bombing back

in 1993. there haven't been that many americans willing to join these organizations. michael: how has the arab spring affected that? what is the effect on the recruitment, lets say? >> al-qaeda and other revolutionary islamic organizations are trying to use the arab spring as a recruitment tool to say this us their are opportunity now that there is disarray that some of these authoritien states have broken down. they haven't had as much success as they'd like. they're starring to complain about this in their propaganda on line. they are worried that they are not able to recruit enough people to replace the folks that are getting disaffected with the revolutionary movement, getting

arrested and killed in operations. islamic terrorism is on the decline. that's what numbers show globally from the global terrorism database, from the national counter terrorism credibility and in the united states. we've been extremely fortunate that this hasn't been as big of an issue as people feared and hasn't big as big an issue as some political movements in this country would make it out to be. very few muslims have been involved in any kind of radical activities. michael: how do we change that perception? your book is called missing martyrs, which addresses this entire issue but how has that perception changed if there are many fewer and threat is not as big as we see it to be here in america? >> well that's what i'm hoping that these kinds of discussions can do, make people realize that the threat that so many people were afraid of after 9/11 has really declined, that the decade

since 9/11 has not proven those fierce to be correct. we think about it in terms of putting this in perspective just how dangerous islamic terrorism has been to americans in the united states since 9/11. of course, almost 3,000 people killed on that horrible day. since then, there have been 33 deaths that might be attributed to islamic terrorism. that's including people like the fort hood shooter, in texas and several other i wants that have killed a handful of people. those are terrible incidents and i'm not in any way condoning them but in perspective since 9/11 there's been 180,000 murders in this country. last year, in 2012, there were approximately 14,000 murders including trayvon martin. islamic terrorism doesn't account for nearly even 1% of all of those murders. in other words, it's not a leading cause of violence and

perhaps as people recognize that, we will turn down the volume on people's anxieties and fears and then perhaps our public policy can shift to reflect these numbers. michael: and our public policy needs to turn that volume down, as well. you have people in public raising the volume on these fears that are really as you say unfounded. the book is called missing martyrs. pretty good stuff for a tar heel. really appreciate you coming in here and discussing that with us this afternoon. we move now in the next block when we come back to talk about addiction. when i say addiction i'm talking about being addicted to games. >> i'm telling you i took away all the video games. i threw out his x box. they look at me and say why couldn't you stop him? because he has a window and he can get out of the house.

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michael: of course, john stewart is referring to the fact that ikea recalled meatballs in 14 countries, not the united states because they contained horse are meat. i like the meatballs. i never like buying them because you have to assemble them. j.r. jackson is going to takes from here. >> we brought in our producer with the "young turks," and kim from nerd news alert. she has a lot to say about our gaming issue second, and this issue. she's really going to show off some skills. first of all let's get to the

horse meat situation. this is the question. is that going to be a problem for you going to get your cranberry sauce? there might be a couple lines of horse meat here. >> i remember having this conversation with cenk a couple months ago. he loves the meatballs there. i think the food is gross. i think you should get your furniture at ikea, but not your food. >> a lot of times you eat something and don't know what's in it. as soon as you find out your brain gets to you. >> there's a problem of miss labeling food. horse is acceptable to eat in canada, europe and asia, and horse meat is produced in eastern europe, which is where i'm guessing a lot of this had came from, because it's a cheaper filler. >> ikea is a swedish furniture store.

i looked up a couple of things that this country is well known for. if you're eating where you get your furniture maybe you can expect it. hamburger with horse meat. smoked sausage made from horse meat is popular there, as well. it shouldn't be that big a surprise. is that why we don't have it in stores in the u.s. michael: next we'll find that they don't use real wood in their furniture. i actually pulled off the road, jayar, gone into ikea for meatballs. i'm not really scared that they have them here and now i guess they're taking the horse meat out. kim says that doesn't matter, i'm going to eat them anyway. >> i think the meatballs good, ok? if they're filled with horse order me up some horse

meatballs, please. >> the issue of mislabeling food, if you know you're eating horse and you're ok with it, fine. if you're thinking you are eating beef and you're eating horse, i don't think that's ok. >> there's another addiction that mental health assessors are looking into with video games. i think this is something people maybe halfway thought just on their on time, but this is now becoming official, so now they're saying we are looking at research to see if people can be really addicted, a 19-year-old x gamer. >> 19-year-old conor shehe says he played his first video game when he was four. >> eight hours a day was an average day for me. i would make friends a lot of times to play video games. if somebody said they had video

games, i said can i come over and play with you maybe we can play sometime. >> do you have an on line gaming disorder kim? >> well, the problem with calling this an addiction and comparing it to drug addiction is very problematic. a drug addiction your body is addicted chemically to the substance and you have trouble coping with it. you're neve going to experience that playing video games. the thing you lose is time. that alone is not symptomatic of an addiction. >> i never would have addicted that when i was younger. my mom wouldn't have had it. there is no way i would have been able to play a game for eight hours or watch t.v. for eight hours. you're right it's not the same as drug addiction, but people are addicted to a lot of things. i think it's a real thing. it becomes a disorder over time if you let it. michael: i forget the name of the young lady who was just speaking. [ laughter ] michael: but i totally agree with what she's saying.

somebody conner's age it's about parenting. you should not let your child play eight hours of videos a day. i think there's part of it that goes into that. it's compulsory, but there should be oversight. >> you lose your time, but there's things you game. you have a good time where people go out and get drunk or something. >> yeah, there is a belief, i believe it that gaming on line is a social enclave. i met my first boyfriend gaming on line. i got my first job gaming on line. >> i think it's easier if you're not having to interact with people face-to-face. that i think that is more, or that's harder for some people and that's why they choose to do those more solo things or things you do with cyber buddies. >> i think a lot of it is calling gaming it is problem. it can be a symptom.

you forget video games are a source of entertainment. it's possible there is some other issue and gaming may be a symptom rather than the cause. >> since college i've lost my level of gaming. i don't know if it's good or bad. i'm thinking maybe i kicked it on my own i went cold turkey by myself. i'm a strong guy. we'll go back to michael. >> is that his name? >> all right. jayar, kim and karmella, thank you very much. he we're going to be back on "the young turks" right after this. it penetrates deep within your carpet removing 3 times more dirt than vacuuming alone. leaving the busiest areas of your carpets, truly fresh and clean. the resolve easy clean system. don't just vacuum clean. resolve clean.

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